>> oh, yeah, and hurts the economy. needs start-up. we were talking about the possibly of a building boom occurring, especially in the tri state area. >> what's happening now, by the unions blocking out a huge territory, now these young start-up, mom and pop businesses, smaller contractors, can't get started. >> clayton: so it only serves to help, specifically the iron workers union that put this forward. is this only really helps the iron workers. it's not going to help the victims of hurricane sandy and it's not going to help the other small startups looking to start up a small construction business to try to get help off the ground. >> and sets a tone. once a union comes into a certain territory, kind of setting up the frame work and once you do that, it's very hard to try to get in there and establish a company that's nonunion. >> clayton: basically, you're setting up a business on, sort of, as you say, sinister terms. >> yeah, very much so, i believe. >> so instead of a good natured business in the neighborhood coming in, setting